Boris Kolesnikov

Today, with Vice-Premier Boris Kolesnikov talk about politics - is like to talk with a schoolboy about the tuition. One in the head is spring only, the other - only to Euro 2012. On the one hand it is somewhat disappointing, because Kolesnikov - one of the pillars of the ruling party. On the other - was encouraged. Because of Euro 2012 yet did not say no.

- Boris Viktorovich, ten days you had time to get acquainted with the preparations for Euro 2012 all the four participating cities. We wrote about this a lot, but solid conclusion has not yet been ...

- Let us share our interview for a term of two parts. In late April, will talk about the hotels, and today - all the rest. So, Lviv. Two points of greatest risk. First - no stadium in conjunction with the absence of the contractor's understanding of how to build it. (I have the experience, of course, small. But "Donbass-Arena" lets talk about it.) What did we do? Since March 26, stepped up the construction contractors. From March 29 all, expand the scope of work. Moreover, on March 25 Lviv city council passed the stadium under the jurisdiction of the Cabinet of Ministers. Monday will give the new technical tasks associated with maximizing opportunities concert facility. Because the stadium itself will bring losses. And the city it just will not pull. Therefore, "stretched" additional opportunities.

- This will increase the budget documentation?

- Not much. Interest on the five-seven. Or even less. But the stadium did not take 20-25 days a year, and at least twice. So begin strengthening work on the stadium and I think, to come out on April 5-7 thousand people in two shifts.

- Strengthening, as well as acquisition of power, will be at the expense of Donetsk contractors?

- Contractors will be those who know how to build. As for, say, a runway at the Lviv airport, it will be a consortium of Ukrainian, Dutch and German companies. The current company has no such experience. As for the stadium, it will be and Ukrainian contractors, and Turkish, and Croatian. Works associated with the roof, will be carried out exclusively by foreign specialists.

- Ie another increase in estimated?

- Yes.

- Attracting foreign companies - a tender?

- Of course. To be held global brands such as Siemens or Philips. But some works Cabinet has the right to choose a single artist.

- And what will happen with the current contractor - "Azovinteksom"? This company is derived from the project?

- They will be involved in subcontracting.

The second point of risk - the airport. The terminal building experienced company. Strip, as I said, stepping up.

Now - the road. I have traveled on the road Krakivets-Lviv. It is almost 90 kilometers to the border with Poland. View it has, to put it mildly, frustrating. Plus, the section from the slopes Chop-Kyiv. Somewhere around 23 kilometers of new ultra-modern highway will also be laid ...

By the way, I want to tell you that the direct cost to the Government is at Euro 2012 - about $ 700 million words, - Two stadium. Everything else - the national infrastructure, which somehow had to be put in order. State for nineteen years had built a single airport, but we and a half years to build and commission three ... So, with Lviv's understandable ... now go from the western border of Kiev. From Lviv to Rivne in principle, the road is good. From Rivne to Zhitomir its just not there. And from Zhytomyr to Kyiv road needs a major renovation. The very entry of the Zhitomir extremely problematic. There is a technical solution to complete at least four kilometers District. This greatly relieve the problem. There is also a decision to expand the Zhitomir entrance with an increase of bridges.

- We drive to the capital and ...

- We look at things without which the Euro-2012 will not exactly. Again, in the first place - the stadium and the airport. In second place - again the road.

With regard to the NSC "Olympic", the way work is organized, worse you can imagine. We were at the stadium on 23 March and saw that the first tier was demolished and cast in concrete. Now, six or seven thousand spectators could not see anything. But the second tier left. And today, sandblast clean concrete 60-ies. What is the point of fifty years ago to restore the concrete? Logically, the need was directional explosion - as in the hotel "Donbass" - and all. But today is too late. Stadium since being built for the spectators. And we are considering what additional benefits the audience will receive as a result of reconstruction, which contributed a lot of money. Yes, the audience will sit under the roof. What, in principle, it is important. Especially in the autumn-winter period. This is understandable. But this - everything.

- Is it true that the firm, which deals with a canopy, has charter capital of seven thousand hryvnia and affiliated with Igor Kolomoisky?

- About affiliation, I can not say. But the charter capital of seven thousand hryvnia I confirm. Previous management of the Ministry of Sports has signed a contract for one hundred million dollars with a company whose share capital of seven thousand hryvnia. However, here in the security consolation is that this company just won the tender. They, of course, with its cronyism great. But, when under this roof is 68 thousand people - who would be responsible if anything? Those who signed, or those who built it? I do not want to sow panic, because the sub-contract in this strange company in the "Olympic" the best German company of cable coverings. So safety is guaranteed. But as a company having a share capital of hundreds of millions of euros, were in contract with those "rich people" with seven thousand hryvnia - a separate issue.

Now that the conditions for the demolition SEC "Trinity". Because the owners stayed parking. And as Kiev they still do not compensate for the demolition, they are not going to finish building it. And this is a very serious threat.

- This is the site of the Great Vassilkovskaya?

- Yes. Plot to equip. And the authorities in Kiev have to do what was promised. That is, to exchange territories. After that, parking will need to complete the construction. Believe me, it does not hurt. At the stadium, then a parking lot there. On the other hand the stadium there are several structures built before the advent of historical materialism - an ice rink and several centers of the same age. We proposed initially to build a new rink. It is inexpensive - up to 30 million hryvnia. Construct it for five months, and all other gadyushniki carry. And in their place to make a good park and the normal guest area. At the open courts, we can at the time, dismantling the structure and removing the nets, lay a synthetic green grass and create for the fans all the amenities. Ie make the zone of hospitality, worthy of the European Championship finals. With companies that own these facilities, and Sue did not want to, and no time. So I think that we have recourse to the law on social needs. Ie simply buy the land. But in today's market price. But not on the day before yesterday. So it will be faster.

- Yes, but as a mandatory feature of the hospitality area has two large sections, which are leased by certain companies "Ural" and "Intersport".

- Here, I think, should also apply the law on public needs and to seize these lands in favor of the NSC "Olympic".

- But these sites are not owned, but leased for 15 years.

- So, you need to terminate the leases.

- According to some reports, these firms are affiliated with Harry Karogodskim and Dmitry Tabachnyk ...

- I do not know. But I do not care with whom these firms are affiliated. We need a championship. And I do not care who the law on public needs to purchase land, or who you want to terminate the leases. Because the land is needed NSK "Olympic". And I'm satisfied with any action, but only in the legal field.

- What is the timing on the "Olympic"?

- Questions about the timing there. While simple. You may need to increase the contractor. Because the design is incomprehensible. General Contractor - Kievgorstroy. He has four more subcontractors who have 70 other subcontractors. In the Turkish ENKA, or from the German Nochtief subcontractors - hundreds. But that's not the four tumors. I think they are just playing the role of "ATM". Unsubstantiated blame will not. We will understand - the public will know their heroes ...

- Proceed to the airport. Let's start with "Borispol"?

- No, "Jules". Strip made. It remains to be done taxiways. And it's all doable. But there is no terminal. Although optimism from the city authorities there. However, I would like to see this optimism was further reinforced by the specific design and construction team. A separate theme - the need to "Jules" in Kiev in general. Airport in the middle of the city - in itself a specific question. There are limitations. The first passenger flights. Plus, "Juliani" - the port of final destination. Ie Unlike "Borispol" - not transit. Therefore, to the airline chose "Juliani, near the port should be a competitive advantage. We make a new road about three miles and exit at Povitroflotskiy Ave. It will take just over a year. Sverhpreimuschestvom "Jules", of course, would be a subway station. This is a branch in seven and a half miles. And if the city wants to own the port and the port - make a profit, then the subway to necessarily. But this was after Euro 2012. Do not have time.

Now our "Little Ukraine" - the airport "Borispol": land stolen, nothing was built. The airport itself rests only on the personal enthusiasm and professionalism of director Boris Shahsuvarova. To the terminal F, which now seems to pass not because he is surrounded by land, as you say, "affiliated" with a sort of "Marquis Karabasov. As passengers enter the terminal F to terminal D - knows only pilot-Indian.

Runway, with two courses, was built in the late 90's. Second - in the late 60's, on Soviet technology. We must build a new one. Although up to Euro 2012 this issue was not addressed. Now the band in perfect condition. So money's not going to waste. D terminal under construction is very solid, although without frills. Under the one hundred thousand meters. While lagging behind, but surges.

- Now Kharkov?

- Yes. Roads Kiev-Kharkov no. In the best traditions of the Russian Empire, of which we were, there is only direction.

- But there is another railway. High-speed express trains ....

- We interviewed several hundred passengers and found that the speed of the project beginning of the XXI century, converted into a passenger express calf 70-ies. Well, there are no high-speed technology. The stadium was built in Kharkiv on mixed capital - ie private and public. As a pilot project - successful. At the airport, build a completely new band, and the terminal has already been built on private money. What Kharkov very well. Ring Road to the whole upgrade. That we lay in the costs associated with preparing the country's infrastructure for the championship.

- And finally, Donetsk.

- The stadium is in perfect condition, and it can play any matches. Although semi-final, although the final.

- Yes, but soon after went to persistent talk of a rift, which crept somewhere in the bowl ... On some Baird, etc.

- These conversations were those who now is cleaning concrete 68-th year. No there are no cracks. Everything was calculated. Geology paid much attention. Also do not forget that in Donetsk, one of the strongest in Europe, mining and geological services.

Now - the airport. In Donetsk, as well as in Kiev, the band of four kilometers. Donetsk and will take all planes, including long haul. Lviv and Kharkov bands shorter. But in any case, all the new Ukrainian airport for Euro 2012 will have a very strong possibility, which will continue for at least 20 years.

- Donetsk road? ...

- As with everywhere. We must finish the second half ring. Make a new road to the Ukrainian-Russian border - 63 kilometers. The same applies to the new road toward the Russian border from Kharkov. By the way, on this issue, we plan to meet in April at the government level with the Russian side. Because all the roads on which will go to Sochi Winter Olympics, go through Ukraine. After the Euro in two years will need to build Transdneprovskuyu highway between Kiev, Cherkasy and Dnipropetrovsk and finish the plot Dnepropetrovsk, Donetsk. I met with the president (I say to you about it first) and he was tasked with: "The time on the road from the western border to Kiev - six hours, and from the eastern border to Kiev - seven hours. Our goal is to make the Ukraine from west to east could cross over 13-14 hours. Imagine the possibilities for transit it will give our country! Yes, and despite the fact that today the possibilities for transit Railway overloaded to the maximum. Thus transport corridors through Ukraine to Rostov, Baku, the Black Sea coast of the Caucasus and Central Asia will undoubtedly be in demand.

- All this, of course, very bright, but where is the money? After all, are still fresh in the memory of the war around
9.8 billion hryvnia from the surplus profits of the National Bank.

- At present the government with two main problems: to provide social and tangible result for the Ukrainian society through economic growth and Euro 2012. We can not exert a general fund budget, while the country's paltry pensions and paltry wages. We will issue bonds with longer maturities. Auctions are, and we could last Tuesday to sell such bonds with three-five-year maturity at a billion hryvnia. Just did not work for us 14-percent rate, reloading for the next budget. While our predecessors managed to take under 27%! But on Tuesday we will attract up to 700 million hryvnia in the week. To construction sites worked around the clock.

- It was still about the lottery?

- Yes, the State National Lottery Euro 2012 prepares for the fall. By the way, too, international teams. Currently being worked on Ministry of Finance and Minmolodsport. They will and the owners. But management will be the West.

- How much do you plan to attract funds and what will be the prize fund?

- While this information is not disclosed. Be patient until autumn. All will be extremely transparent. People should understand that they really can win. What is not "one-armed bandits". While I can say that the lottery of this type are operating successfully and in Southern Europe and the USA. For example, in Italy collected jackpots to 200 million euros. This is one of the projects to raise funds.

- What else?

- Privatization. Because the first time in the history of Ukraine the money received from privatization of the old foundations, will be transformed into a modern infrastructure. We have two or three objects, which cost 8-10 billion. Same Odessa port plant or Ukrtelecom. True, there is another way in which Russians have gone, - preparation for the IPO. But, on the one hand, it takes a long time, but on the other - unpredictable results. Our businesses - still do not Gazprom and Rosneft. This is such a scrap. Moreover, the market now is not the best. Although the State IPO - a powerful tool liens. With 100 percent of government property, selling 20-25 percent in the market, receives a powerful mortgage instrument.
Ie secured by these shares, once they are traded and have a value in Western markets, can attract loans. This could be done. But we did not.

- This week, with the filing of Michael Brodsky intensively talked about returning to the country of gambling. It is clear that no simple matter, and the decision may be delayed. Perhaps it makes sense to allocate long bets, just sending taxes and license fees for the project Euro-2012. After all, people still put on the results of sports games. But the money goes abroad ...

- Regarding the bookmakers solutions yet. And that's what guided those who are working on a draft law on the casino, I can say. What catapulted people with low incomes - and pensioners, and especially young people? In the fight against slot machines. So, slot machines in Ukraine is not bu-children! This uniquely. A play on the roulette, baccarat or black jack retirees will not go, and teenagers are not allowed.

Next. Casinos will be to have only hotels. In this case, if someone thinks that you can build a hotel on three numbers, but downstairs to open a casino - something so there will not be. I do not want to name a few more things to them in advance not used. Ie it is about four-five-star hotels with the fund no less than a certain number of rooms. So in fact the casino will not so much. Maybe it will be only five-star hotels. The only exception we would like to do for the resorts. Where in the hotels, again with some rooms and apartments, but not necessarily high-stardom, the Crimea are allowed to have casinos. But, again, without slot machines.

- Why only the Crimea? And the Carpathian Mountains?

- Of course.

- And one more question from the financial sector - the lack of a legislative package that facilitates the attraction of investments for Euro 2012. The same single investment window. You can expect that the current coalition, this process still will move off dead center?

- The Investment Window should be open not during the Euro, but in general in Ukraine. Because Ukraine should have a competitive advantage in obtaining investment. This is the rule of law for all investors - both domestic and foreign. And the laws that allow to grow rapidly. As simple as possible. A second window of opportunity is preparing the Ministry of Culture and Tourism with the Ministry of Finance. It is a zero tax rate for the entire hospitality industry. Both old and new. Ie All Ukrainian hotels until 2021 to pay the taxes will not. Let the spending on development.

- How profitable such a move in conditions of total lack of money?

- What do you with 25-percent tax on profits will attract a global network of the country at such "black hundred", which is called STA ...

- And how this looks Mykola Azarov? In the budget - nothing but hole. Plus, the Pension Fund, plus the external payments ...

- He fully supported this project. He understands that we need a competitive advantage. In addition, tax on profits from the hotel situation radically not align. And so we have a chance to attract investors

- Let us again return to the situation in the cities. Donetsk is Rinat Akhmetov. In Kharkov - Alexander Yaroslavsky. Lviv is now a Cabinet. And who is in Kiev?

- In Kiev, a lot of people have ...

- And no one at the same time ... Who in Kiev is responsible for Euro-2012?

- Golubchenko.

- But he was in Kiev and is responsible for everything else. Who's in Kiev, Vice Prime Minister for the Eu-
Ro-2012?

- Rinat Akhmetov, for his selfless love for football, Shakhtar and his home city built a stadium. Obviously, the same motives and guided by Alexander Yaroslavsky. But he required the assistance of the state ... Manager is in Kiev, too, will the Cabinet. If you have any other suggestions, we are ready to conduct a large round table with participation of the most famous journalists. And the sport, and sports. We have, unfortunately, the post-Soviet model of development. Because every country is strong is not primarily the capital and regions. Kiev in his time turned sverhinvestitsionno attractive. And the region remains empty. But this is an indirect sign of a totalitarian regime. After all, before the crisis, Cabinet gave billions of hryvnia annually for the maintenance of the capital. And Kiev somehow patched hole. So it turns out that we as the government redistribute money to the Ukrainian people, including those on the functions of the capital. What is the function of the city? This simple escape from the horrors of Kiev Ukrainian authorities. Build a Institutska and Grushevskogo parking. Untying the crossings. Build another bridge ... That is Kyiv residents should not feel any inconvenience of the capital. This is money intended use. And they are used and not used for their intended purpose. The city should create conditions. Ie first person who is willing to put his car in a parking lot, you need to provide this parking. And only then bring in tow trucks.

- What will be the vehicle to ensure cities hosting Euro 2012?

- On this occasion, we conducted a meeting on Wednesday based on the Ministry of Transport. Due to 300-400 million allocated Ukreximbank, we will increase the authorized capital of the state leasing companies, municipalities and four cities will receive nearly 2 thousand units of a completely new transport.

- Who gets the order for production of these units?

- Ukrainian enterprises. There is only one plant that can cope with the quality and quantity of the order - Lviv Bus Plant. By the way, with the help of Siemens LAZ made a successful trolley. Today, we, in particular, discussed the possibility of opening a 12-km trolleybus route Truskavets-Drogobych. Environmentally friendly transport in environmentally clean region - it is good decision.

- It seems that you are not aware of where you are. In preparation for Euro 2012, you are creative, set targets, plan redeployment financial rivers ... you act like a businessman and a state system: with its red tape, legal constraints, alignment, sabotage and thievery. Everything is awash in reality.

- Would interfere with work - we will fight. Activists sabotage swell the army of unemployed. We can do so by forces and means.

- There is another pitfall. It is about preparing massive protests in the West by the well-known politicians, sports stars, movies and music that have tortured UEFA in connection with the abuse of our local authorities to homeless animals. Which under the guise of preparing for the Euro, just savagely destroyed. This primarily concerns Kiev. Where, moreover, under the guise of "humane solution to the question", sawn vast sums. In other cities - the same picture, but on a smaller scale. Behind the budget money buying mobile crematorium ...

- If the government will reveal such facts, all of these are not homeless and not animals, who do it quickly become homeless.

- Thus there are ready-made civilized program, which only need to run properly. Ie simply demonstrate the power of ...

- Let's true. We no later than April 10 will collect the IOC and invite you. All four cities considered. On transport infrastructure decisions have been taken. Hotel infrastructure was left, and you can start with serious, but not the first plan. It is important to run all the construction. We will hold a round table, invite journalists, experts, and will make a decision. Believe me, it's a recoverable situation. Much faster recoverable than rostrum at some stadiums ...

- And after all, who reinforced Holubchenko, if for Euro-2012 in Kiev, he is responsible?

- Golubchenko - Chief Engineer of Kiev. And it must reinforce the administrative and financial resources. He must be responsible for the network, for transport infrastructure. But if the Kyiv City Council there are no projects interchange center with its traffic jams ...

- But in Kiev, there is an invisible force, which has a powerful resource. She owns Vodokanal, banks, TETsami, quarters. Now that's got a huge quota of the government ... Nonetheless, no one had heard about the patronage of Ivanov and Khmelnitsky.

- It's a question more to Ivanov and Khmelnitsky.

- And why? Why did they not show their patronage opportunities in the city that a significant part of theirs? One could become generous in Euro 2012.

- Well, it's more a question of morality than the law.

- Why? The government, too: taxes.

- It's - yes. A philanthropy - it is a state of mind.

- Good. Let us approach the other side. Today it's clear what the local organizing committee headed by Markiyan Lubkivsky. But there is also the Coordinating Bureau of the Cabinet of Ministers, whose role was quite blurred. The Poles, seven people headed PL-2012 curated guidelines. And this is not the bureaucrats, and profile managers a very high level with the relevant authorities. Maybe you can now go on such a scheme ...

- You are absolutely right, we could get. In 2007, after receiving confirmation from UEFA to hold in Ukraine and Poland, European Championship, Viktor Yushchenko appealed to Rinat Akhmetov. And in order Akhmetov consulting company McKinsey »(McKinsey & Company, Inc. - Ed.) Through the Foundation for Effective Governance" has developed a roadmap preparation to Euro-2012. And from this map it was just not to retreat to the right or left. There were about 25 slides showing step by step stages. Home - December 2007. Finish - May 2012. At that time it was done more skillfully than the Poles. In Vasiunyk the plan was. In the FFU that plan was. But at the level of consideration of beautiful pictures all involved self-praise. And then, when the situation became critical, all had disappeared.

- By the way, taking into account your difficult relationships with Grigoriy Surkis, say what you will eat it until 2012. Do not hurt if this process of training?

- Let's true. If we open the same recommendation McKinsey, there clearly defined function of FFU in preparation for the Euro. In addition to filing the application - that they involve? The first - testing stadiums. One tested the stadium and called it "the lair of the enemy." It is uniting for the Ukrainian fans. Second - the interaction with UEFA. Created by Local Organizing Committee, where Lubkivsky does his job. The third - is the realization of commercial rights. But there is only two years. And those who worked on the production, understand that to achieve bought the rights to at least re-equip the production. And that, depending on the complexity of products - time. But I do not see that the right to sell. So those who will occupy the destructive position, will eat themselves.

- Have you met with Grigory Mikhailovich after your appointment?

- Not yet. Stadiums test early. One in Donetsk, he had already tested. IOC is working. Contact UEFA straight. Commercial law is not implemented. We need government assistance? Please. Our doors are open.

- This week in Ukraine was Marc Timmer, who is responsible in the UEFA including for the stadiums. Have you met?

- Yes. Wednesday.

- And his mood?

- He was more concerned Lviv stadium. While I think that Kiev should be of great caution. First, different scale. Secondly, the new build easier.

Authors: Andrei KAPUSTIN, Julia MOSTOVAYA

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